Something I been wanting to get off my chest . . . the quirky / squirrelly design of the holes at Club West . . . I guess the layout overall is ok, it's just that some of the holes, especially the par 5s are too gimmicky, tricked up . . .
Now #3 Par 5 is kind of an exception
especially in the zoom view, it's a very ordinary, short-ish par 5 . . . if i ever eagle a hole here, this'll likely be the one . . . I only had a 5iron into the green for my 2nd shot this day, still mangled the hole. So I'm not talking about this hole.
That little tree that guards the right side of the green has intercepted several of my approaches in different rounds . . . .
#4 par 4 I include just because of this very awkward tee shot . . . those trees are definitely closer than standard, but if you have the presence of mind to just hit the tee shot straight out towards the left side of the fairway, and not try to shape the shot, as so many duffers seem to feel they must, you would have better luck.
# 8 Par 5 . . . presents a wide open fairway with houses on the left and the driving range on the right . . . should be no problem, but lately i find myself playing the Fenway bounce off the fences on the right . . .
The problem here, is that the arroyo that bisects the fairway dictates most duffers should lay up . . . but since the layup is only a 8 or 9 iron, some just have to go for it . . . which is makeable . . . Mr science did it the last time we played here, but I seen a lotta guys dump it. Just an awkward hole
#11 Par 4 is not a difficult hole, except that 75% players wind up on the next fairway from inability to hit over that trash right in front of the tee, which hides the fairway. . . . Doesn't usually cause me any grief, I've played enough times, and it's really a rather short flat hole, so that camouflage is the main obstacle.
#12 Par 5 is my least favorite . . . with any kind of tailwind, my driver can wind up in the trash that bisects the fairway, which then doglegs left up a slope . . .
From the end of that fairway, especially on the right side, one can actually plot a second shot to the green . . . Mr Science did that last time we played, and wound up with a short eagle putt, which he uncharacteristically missed . . . but the risk/reward on that shot is total . . . it's all carry, and if you were long, you might not find your ball in the trash on the far side of the green.
so my game plan is just to pooch the tee shot out into the fairway far enough that I can cozy a 5iron over the trash and still keep it in the fairway, which leaves just a wedge to the green. but that requires 3 good shots, instead of 2 heroic ones . . . so you pays your money and takes your chances.
#16 Par 5 is another awkward hole, IMVHO, for me, anyway . . . the landing area for a full driver seems really tiny to me . . . anything over 230 (downhill) yards is in a bunker or rocky rough or trash . . . a creek bisects the fairway, sort of in the middle of the dogleg, which really makes it awkward and a poor risk-reward shot for duffers. My best play has been to pull hook a 3wood off the high brick walls on the left, so that the carom bounds down into the fairway not quite to the dogleg.
I'd really rather hit a more straightforward shot, and I've hit everything from Driver to 5iron on this hole trying to just put it into play, but the hole has the hoodoo on me . . . If I can just wind up near the dogleg, it's a simple matter to hit a 5iron 2nd, then a shortiron to the green.
But that green is very elevated, at the top of a sharp rise, so 3putt opportunities are frequent.
On this particular round I absolutely crushed a 1iron off the tee . . . 2iron would have been plenty . . . maybe 3iron, now that i've taken the measure . . . but I wound up in a trap . . . bein' from west texas that don't bother me, but I caught the ball cleanly and had aimed too far right for such another pure hit . . . the ball bounced off the cart path and rabitted up into the rocky trash. . . .8^( . . .5 iron had betrayed me twice before, so this was no time to suddenly work correctly . . . . 8^D . . . I will need to replace it with a sub from the other bag in the garage, till I can get it re-shafted . . .
#17 par 3 is interesting in an awkward way, too . . . you never know what club youre gonna need till you get there, since there are 5 tee locations and 2 greens, so club choice could be anything from 8iron to 2iron . . . 8^D
So, a fine course, a real course, but I take issue with some of the design choices that make it tough on the first-time duffer . . . but I guess they make it challenging for heroic golfers familiar with the course . . . just seems tricked up to me. . . .
Contender for nicest halfway house in arizona . . . Tapatio / Pointe Hilton course designed by Bill Johnson had marble bathrooms, but don't remember the halfway house . . . .
Landscape with hand-carts
Note unusual red stalk . . . .
#5 Par 3
#6 Par 4 . . . . after making a hash of the prior 2 holes, I hit a kinda defensive push line-drive to the right rough.
Then hit a career 3iron almost pin high
almost my favorite birdie of all time, but just a par . . . 8^/
#9 Par 3
#11 Par 3
#12 Par 4 . . . altho'my driver had been serviceable the whole day, on this hole, downwind, I uncorked a drive high down the middle, . . . say, 290 yds. . . . Our playing companions exclaimed, when they noticed, WHO is that way down the fairway . . . Who's your Daddy, I answered . . . 8^D
Well, let's see who's closer after second shots said Mr Science . . . then he lashed his 3wood just short of the green . . .
I hit a knockdown 9iron to the green and let it roll up, say 15 ft short of the pin. Well that settles that sez I. Best 2 of 3 sez Mr Science. my first putt was just inside his chip shot, and we both parred.
#13 Par 4, almost the same story, didn't get my trajectory, but a solid hit, maybe 270 yds. Well past Mr Science.
As I recall, both my 2nd shot, and first putt were inside his, but he made his par putt and I missed a 5 footer.
#14 Par 5, HCP #2 . . . a bodacious par 5 . . . Mr Science hit a pooch of a drive that faded into the trash in the middle of the divided fairway . . . I had to sing "Down In The Gully, the Gully so low . . . " . . . 8^D . . . and then powered my drive straight towards the hole something over 250 yds.
Mr science poked at his ball ineffectively from a restricted swing, so his 3rd shot hadda be from the trash, too. His third got back into the short grass but well back from the green. Meanwhile, I feathered a gorgeous 2iron over the trash into the rough 55 yds from the green. Then Mr Science hits a fairway wood 8 feet pin high . . . I push my half-wedge to the back of the green, then putt down a few inches inside Mr Science. but he makes his par putt and I miss mine. So I'm tired of THAT game . . .
#15 Par 3 totally mangled this hole, still trying to work out my 1iron.
#16 Par 4 I mainly remmber this hole from the last time I played cuz Mrs parred it and I bogeyed fom the rough between the pin and the trap . . . 8^/ . . . I had hit 3wood that time. This time I tried to smooth the driver, instead, and steerjobbed it into the weeds left of the green. Coulda chipped out and tried up and down, but instead I chopped it out at the green, and 1-hopped over into the trash.